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Theerasak Photha hanumizzle at gmail.com
Tue Oct 10 22:13:19 EDT 2006 
On 10/10/06, Piet van Oostrum <piet at cs.uu.nl> wrote:
> >>>>> Roel Schroeven <rschroev_nospam_ml at fastmail.fm> (RS) wrote:
>
> >RS> It's the same here in Belgium. Except that our Van is with a capital V in
> >RS> most cases; if it's a lower v it either indicates nobility or a Dutch name.
>
> >RS> I don't see it as a problem. I prefer having Van Straeten and Van Stralen
> >RS> next to each other than having them mixed up with names without Van like
> >RS> this:
> >RS> Straeten, Van
> >RS> Straetmans
> >RS> Stralen, Van
>
> In Holland it is sorted without the 'van' 'de' etc.

Which was my original point in mentioning similar Portuguese names. :)

BTW, do Dutch/Flemish family names now follow the trend of dropping
declension, as seen in both languages (dialects?) in general: e.g.,
'de' instead of 'der'?

-- Theerasak
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